Your Discussions Manage
Discussions you started

Got something to say? Pick a topic and start a discussion. It will be saved for you to follow and track.

Browse Topics
Discussions you're Following Join Now

See what our community is saying about your interests. Follow your favorite topics here.

Search Discussions
    Discussions you started ()
  • Discussions you're Following ()
Discussions recommended by your connections will appear here
Recommendations from your Connections ()
What's this? 

Talk about everything and anything related to the romance genre here.

Do you think about your audience when you write?

70
Posted on 6/16/2012
So I've been working on a project, and I realize that much of my writing is written for me.  Do other people write for an audience?  Or do you write for yourself, and edit for others later?  Just curious.
C.W.
Showing 1 to 8 of 8 comments
11 months, 5 days ago

I think I definitely start out writing for me - I'll have a particular sort of story in mind that I'd like to read, but that I haven't come across, so I'll start writing it because I want to read it. 

But my goal now is to someday see my (most likely, pen) name in print, so when I reread, I try to do so critically from an "intended audience" perspective to see if I'm still on the right track.  And I compare the arc of my story and the graphic-ness of the content to books that I've read and enjoyed in the same genre to help keep on target, as well.  I don't know how helpful that will prove when it comes time to start sending out queries and manuscripts, but that's what makes sense to me for right now, at least until I've gotten the book finished and am seriously starting to clean it up.

Oh, and of course I've also found it helpful to throw out copies of what I have done so far to beta readers to see if what I'm writing is appealing to more people than just myself.  ;)
Is this a constructive response?
2
0
11 months, 5 days ago

Telling yourself the story is the worst kind of trap because from your POV it works. All you need do is mention that such-and-such happens and the image rises in your mind, complete with ambience, history, protagonist’s motivation and mood, and all the things that make life, and your story, real. But does it do that for a reader?

Take a single line, stolen from your story: “The curtain to the act closed and the conversations began.” You read those words and you’re there, viewing the scene from some personal viewpoint. You know, before you begin to read, if it’s opera or theater, highbrow or low. And that matters to ambience. You know if we’re in London or Dogpatch, and if the women in the audience are wearing wigs or cool-aid red hair. You know if the single person we’ll focus on is sitting in a box, in the nose-bleed section, or on a blanket in front of the town’s summer theater venue. How can a reader “see” what you see without knowing what you know?

One single line of prose and you’re already diverging, sharply, from your reader’s perception of what’s happening. And because you’re not aware that you are, you’ll make no effort to correct the situation, but will proceed as if there’s a 1:1 connection between your personal visualization and a reader’s perception, gained from the prose. So when you say, “The conversations began,” you, knowing the society, the venue, and the performance, have context. But do I?

The problem with intent is that it never makes it to the page. Only our words do, along with the emotion inherent to those words. So, we know why a character fees as they do, and how it shades their viewpoint and behavior. But to a reader, people we don’t know are talking about things that have no context from our own POV, and doing things for unknown reasons.

So in answer to your question, I don’t think it’s necessary to think about the audience. I think it’s necessary to place that reader in the character’s mind so deeply that they know his/her world as intimately as you and they do, and know nothing but what that character is focused on in any given moment. The character lives in a tiny slice of time they call “now.” As we all do. And as a reader I’m not seeking to learn a fictional history, or read a chronicle of events. That’s nonfiction. I don’t want things explained, either. That’s boring.

I want to fall in love, not hear that your protagonist did. I want to worry and I want to have someone to cheer for. I want to know what’s happening, not what happened. I don’t want to be told, “she heard.” I want to hear what she does, as she does. I want to know the character’s world as that character knows it, so I can analyze the situation myself and decide what I would do in their place. Then, if you’ve done your job well, that’s exactly what the character does, and I can say, “See? I told you so.” Or better yet, have the character do something I didn’t think of that makes me say, “Brilliant. I wish I had thought of that.”

But read a transcription of someone telling themself a bit of fiction? Living the character’s life sounds like more fun ;–)


Is this a constructive response?
4
0
11 months, 5 days ago

Ooh, my characters definitely aren't living my life.  I write them because I want to deviate from the norm - and, like I said, because I want to read a particular story that doesn't seem to exist yet.  I'm the reader at the same time that I'm the writer, so I have to make sure that what's going on makes sense to me as the reader.  I really learn about my characters as I'm writing, and so motivations, environments, situations, dialogue, actions, reactions are all working themselves out on the page right in front of me. 

I also have a habit of constantly asking myself, "Is this really what [character] would do?  Could this happen in real life given appropriate props, or are you trying to defy gravity/three-dimensional space/logic/emotion/established character patterns?"  And then I have to think it through and think it through until I have what feels like a logical scene progression according to situation, real-life parameters, and character activity.  Sometimes it feels like doing a sudoku puzzle or some similar activity!  But in the end I usually feel reasonably sure that what I've written makes sense from a reader's perspective - otherwise I scrap it and rewrite until it does.

Of course, if I am having an issue with not showing things clearly enough or with skipping over things because they made sense to my writer-self and the reader-self let it slide, that's why I have beta readers.  They can catch a lot of those assumption slip-ups where perhaps my characters are acting abnormally for no apparent reason, or where the way I've positioned them in their environment doesn't actually make physical sense.  I love these people because they won't let me get away with short cuts.  ;)
Is this a constructive response?
0
0
11 months, 4 days ago

Wow!  Jay, you nailed it with the opening line!  "The curtain to the act closed and the conversations began."  I think I need to go back and rewrite.  The image in my mind never made it onto the page.  There are red velvet lined chairs, walls of slightly faded scarlet paper trimmed with mahogany, dim light from the chandeliers...

I wrote the story one scene at a time to seduce an investment banker I met online.  I think my friend enjoyed the read almost as much as I enjoyed writing it.  Although, he didn't like the version where I used "the other man" to drive the plot.  He said it made him feel like the bodyguard in the musical "bullets over Broadway".  

I've been working on revisions to the first few sections and will post more soon.  Thanks for the helpful responses!  More later...
C.W.


Is this a constructive response?
0
0
11 months, 4 days ago

 The image in my mind never made it onto the page.

But it really shouldn’t, for two reasons. First, is that if you use 1000 words all you do is give the reader a static picture, and a fraction of what the character sees in an eyeblink. You cannot, cannot, cannot give pictures on the page, and trying to do so is a rock on which many stories founder.

But the second reason is the more important one: she isn’t paying attention. It’s her story, not yours. So why would I, as someone reading her story care that there are velvet chairs if she takes them for granted?

Narrow the focus to what matters to her, specifically, what has her attention, what it means to her, and what she plans to do about it. Think emotion and reaction, not facts and plot points.

So, you might say, “The curtain came down on act one and Lady Ashley leaned back in her chair.” That would tell me she’s relaxing. You could say, “The first act curtain dropped, and without the distraction of the singers/actors/etc., Lady Ashley’s thoughts turned back to xxxx.”

Take a look at these two articles. They may help:

http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/art/scene.php
http://www.be-a-better-writer.com/scenes-and-sequels.html

The first article is one way of giving the reader the feeling that there’s a scene-clock steadily ticking, to give the impression that time is passing in the story. For an illustration of how that works, I have a new short romance piece posted here: http://jaygreenstein.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/508/

It makes use of the motivation/response unit technique outlined in the first article, though if you’re not familiar with the technique that’s not obvious. What is, is that the scene clock doesn’t stop, and the action isn’t stopped for editorial comments or digressions, so as to keep the reader as an active participant, rather than simply a member of the audience, drowsing in the third row.

• I wrote the story one scene at a time to seduce an investment banker I met online.

With success I hope. But that aside, it sounds like an interesting basis for a story, especially if you add in that the banker is actually… Hmmm…

Is this a constructive response?
0
0
10 months, 19 days ago

I read on article today on writersdigest.com that covers the topic of bringing imagery into a scene. It might be helpful.
http://www.writersdigest.com/editor-blogs/there-are-no-rules/create-powerful-imagery-in-your-writing
Is this a constructive response?
1
0
10 months, 10 days ago

This is a great topic for discussion.  I suppose all novels have to start out as the story we want to tell.  Mine certainly did.  But at a certain point, that changed.  Giving my work to a friend living on the other side of the country (who I literally had not seen for over 20 years) was a major step.  She plugged through nearly 400k words, offering brilliant feedback.  Another friend recommended dividing the book into a trilogy - also good advice.

Over the course of writing my novel, I have become more and more aware of the audience.  First, there's our beta readers, but after that come the literary agents (or perhaps their staffers), an editor, then reviewers, and finally the public.  If the intermediaries do their jobs, your book will be pitched to the readership that wants it.  No book appeals to everyone.  Fiction today is a marketplace composed of many, many little shops. 

When I think about my audience, my thoughts tend to dwell on the following issues:

1) Is my writing clear and concise?  Is it too compressed and rushed?  Have I got the balance right? 

2) Am I inadvertently offending anyone?   Always remember that a character's statements and behavior can alienate readers.  If a character does something or says something that's horrid, is it clear to the reader that it's the character, not you?  Does it advance the plot, fit the context, etc.?  You don't want to alienate an agent, a reviewer, or a reader unnecessarily.

As for what the reader needs, that's harder to fathom, especially when writing your first novel.  I'm writing about the 18th century, but my novels move to different parts of the world.  I know description is one of my strong points, and my beta readers have enjoyed my descriptions.  But I also know there's a fine line. 

I deal with the problem this way.  I imagine each scene as if I am a director, setting up a film shot.  However, instead of providing all the visual elements, what I'm spinning are cues that guide my reader in the direction I want them to take.  It's important to remember that writing fiction is an interactive process.  Fiction "works" when it excites the reader's imagination:  the readers themselves will provide many of the details.  Tolstoy, in "War and Peace," often used just one little element to describe a character, like the polish of a boot, or a wisp of hair.  His cues capture an essence about the person and the moment. 

When a reader picks up a book (or downloads one, these days), they are preparing to imagine, or they should be:  our job, as writers, is to orchestrate their fantasy.  Much of the ornamentation they will provide on their own.   

Is this a constructive response?
1
0
10 months, 3 days ago

I used to write for myself but I've discovered that I need to keep my audience more in mind. Of course, I've always kept in mind my target audience when it comes to subject matter, language, sexuality. Now though, I find myself more aware of who I'm writing for especially since I have moved toward writing for a romance audience, even when writing horror and suspense. Sometimes I catch myself veering away from that focus and have to reign myself in.
Is this a constructive response?
1
0
Showing 1 to 8 of 8 comments

Report Abuse

Please choose the reason that best describes your concern. If you feel any content infringes your copyright, please refer to our General Terms of Use for information on copyright infringement and takedown procedures.

Discussion Tips

  • Search discussions before posting. Your question may already have been answered.
  • Ask specific questions when starting a new discussion.
  • Stay on topic.
  • No spam.
  • No flame wars or personal attacks.
  • For more information on about Book Country Discussions, please see our Community Guidelines.
Close
tooltip
Close

RSS Subscriptions

Book Country provides an RSS feed for those who like to read our Industry content in an RSS Aggregator.

Choose from the options below:

Close

Ignore

Are you sure you want to ignore this request or recommendation? It will be removed from your shelf.

Close

Are you sure you want to block this person?

You will no longer receive Connection Requests from this person, and they will not know that you have blocked them. You can unblock this person at any time in your account.

is now blocked.
You can manage your blocked people in your account.

Close

Block User

Are you sure you want to block this person?

This member is now blocked.
You can manage your blocked people in your profile.

Close

Disconnect

You will no longer be able to view this user’s Connections, read their complete books, or make Recommendations to them.

The user will not receive notification that you have Disconnected, but they will probably figure it out later. You can also stay in touch more casually by Following this person instead.

You are now Disconnected from this member.

Close

Accept Connection Request

Are you sure you want to Connect with this person?

By accepting this Connection Request, you will be allowing this member to read all the fiction you've posted, view your Connections, and the books, people, discussions, and topics you are Following. You can also receive Recommendations from your Connections and make Recommendations to them.

If you'd rather receive more casual updates on this person's activity, choose to Follow this person instead.

Close

Request to Connect

You must be signed in to Connect to this person.

Please sign in or join now if you want to Connect with this person.

 Connection Request pending

Your request has been sent to the member.

OK
Recommend to a Connection

Recommend: [Author]

Sign In to Your Account
Recommend to a Connection

Done! You have recommended [Author] to [recipient].

Badges

Book Country Badges are awarded for community activity and accomplishments. You can earn badges for positive contributions to the site, such as writing a highly rated book, or contributing many reviews and discussions.

Each badge comes in bronze, silver, and gold. You’ll start with bronze, and then earn silver and gold as your activity grows. There are also versions of each badge at the genre level, master genre level (i.e., SF, Romance, etc.), and for all of Book Country. Our staff is always working hard to ensure fairness and good karma. The more you participate, the more rewards you’ll receive.

What are Preferred Genres?

Preferred Genres help you track your interests and Connect with similar members. You can select as many genres as you like.

The Top Books and Top People in your Preferred Genres will automatically appear on your home page, updating every two weeks.

How do Recommendations work?

Recommendations make it easy to share interesting content with other Book Country members. You can recommend a book, discussion, person, or article to your Connections, and they can make Recommendations to you.

Recommendations appear in your notifications bar.

What are Connections?

Connections are your friends and colleagues on Book Country who you have allowed additional access to your work. Accepting a Connection request lets that member read all of the fiction you’ve posted (there is no word limit). Connections can also view who you are Connected to, as well as the books, People, Discussions, and Industry Topics you are Following. You can also receive Recommendations from your Connections and make Recommendations to them.

To add a new Connection, send a Request to Connect. The member to whom you would like to Connect must accept your request to make it official.

What is Following?

Following is a way to casually keep in touch with a person on Book Country. By Following a person, you will receive updates on their public activities on the site, such as uploading a new book or responding to a discussion. People you Follow can’t see your Connections, make Recommendations to you, or see that you are Following them.

What are Private Books?

Private books cannot be read by site visitors or community members. Private books do not appear on the Genre Map or in searches. Some writers may choose to temporarily make a book private during revisions or while meeting with agents and publishers.

You can repost a private book to make it visible again. All comments and ratings will be saved.

What are Deleted Books?

Writers can Delete their books at any time, for any reason. On rare occasions, the Book Country staff may Delete a book for copyright violations. Deleted books are completely removed from Book Country, along with all comments and reviews. Deleted books cannot be recovered.

What are Locked Discussions?

Locked Discussions are discussions that can still be read but cannot accept new responses. Discussions can only be locked by a Book Country administrator.

Peer Reviews

As a community for writers and readers, we want our members to receive thoughtful and constructive feedback on their work. Book Country Peer Reviews are designed to help writers improve in their chosen craft.

You must be a member to rate and review. Members can review a book once per draft.

Each review has several sections:

Overall Impressions

Share your general thoughts on the book. Did the writer categorize the book accurately on the Genre Map? Were you engaged by the material? What really worked and what needs work? Comment on whatever else you like.

Feedback Criteria

When uploading a book, writers can select two areas on which they’d like guidance. Provide more detailed feedback based on these criteria.

Star Ratings

Give each section a star rating from 1 to 5. This will help us determine how the book compares to others in the community. Your must rate each section to save your review. But remember, star ratings are not just a scale of bad to good; it’s also a scale from rough draft to polished manuscript.

Saving Your Review

It’s easy to work on your review over a period of time with our “Save for Later” feature. Please be aware, though, that if you have a review saved and the writer of the book changes his/her feedback criteria, the feedback that you’ve inputted for any old criteria will be automatically removed. Additionally, if the writer uploads a new draft of the book, your review will be lost. So don’t sit on it too long!

Reviewing Published Books

When writing your review of a published  book, please bear in mind that the author is not longer revising the project. For example, you may want to write your review as if you are giving your opinion to other potential readers.

Close
Request to Connect

Heads up! By Connecting with this person, you are allowing this user to view your other Connections, see who you’re Following, and read your complete books. You can also receive Recommendations from your Connections, and make Recommendations to them.

The other user must accept your Request to make the Connection official.

Your request has been sent to the member

[and will be active for 30 days].

OK
Recommend to a Connection

Done! You have sent a recommendation to .

Loading
Close
How to Use the Book Country Reader
Use the right and left arrows to move forward or backward through the book you’re reading.

You can also use the tabs at the bottom of the Reader to customize your reading experience. Use the tab on the far left to pop open the Table of Contents. The remaining tabs—from left to right—allow you to perform searches with the text, increase the font size, and change the font type from Serif to San Serif. The bar at the bottom of the page lets you see how far you are in the book; you can also use the slider to move backward and forward through the text.

And lastly, if you’re a Book Country member and are logged in, the Peer Review fields will open up next to the text of the book; you can use it to take notes as you read and save them for later when you want to write your Peer Review.
  • Click the left arrow to view the previous page.

  • Click the right arrow to view the next page.

  • Write a review of the book.
     

  • Use page tools to customize your experience and jump to sections of the book.

Close
Table of Contents
Bookmarks
Sign-in to the right or Join Now to add a bookmark.
Search
lorem...
Change Type Size
Aa Aa Aa
Change Type Face
Close
Upload Your Book
Start by entering the title of your new book.
Please enter a title for your book
Oops, I'm not uploading a new book, I want to modify a book I previously uploaded.
Close
Sign out

Are you sure you want to sign out?

It's Easy to Share Your Book

book
Your New Book
  • Get started!

    It's easy! Upload chapters at your own pace or your entire book if it's ready. Make changes any time you like.

  • Support your peers

    Everyone contributes at Book Country. After you provide three peer reviews, you can share your work with the community.

  • Get feedback

    Book Country is a supportive community of fiction writers and readers who offer constructive feedback to help you improve your craft.

  • Your big break

    Our members include published authors and industry professionals. You never know who might discover your work.

Close
Remove your comment

Are you sure you want to delete this comment?

Close
Delete your discussion

Are you sure you want to delete this discussion?